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| Rob tells me the CSS on this page looks [http://raddial.com/stuff/wiki_bad.jpg horrible]. I'm going to try simplifying it. There's no way div heights could be a good idea here. -- [[User:Dswxyz|David Welbourn]] 04:48, 15 Jan 2005 (Central Standard Time)
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| The change is a definite improvement from where I'm standing. - [[User:Maga|Maga]] 05:38, 15 Jan 2005 (Central Standard Time)
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| And I figured out that the <nowiki><center></nowiki> tag is turned into <nowiki><div></nowiki> tags and messes with CSS stuff. I removed them. --[[User:David Cornelson|David Cornelson]] 12:10, 15 Jan 2005 (Central Standard Time)
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| Is there a place yet on this site to discuss what features we would like to see in the future? For instance, I think it would be nice to have a page that lists all of the users of ifWiki. -- --[[User:Gtwade|Gtwade]] 13:19, 15 Feb 2005 (Central Standard Time)
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| To Gtwade: That feature's already here: [[Special:Listusers]]. I found it by clicking on the Special Pages link over in the "toolbox". -- [[User:Dswxyz|David Welbourn]] 21:25, 15 Feb 2005 (Central Standard Time)
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| Greetings everyone. I have some time to offer, and am a IF supporter and archiver. Instead of using <nowiki><center></nowiki> tags, try using "align=center" within tags, eg. use <nowiki><h3 align=center>My Title Here</h3> instead of "<center><h3>xyz</h3></center>"</nowiki>
| | 1. I propose that we add an introductory blurb under the main heading to help clarify what IFWiki is for (especially how it is unique from IFDB, since that seems like a common question). For example: "IFWiki is an encyclopedia of interactive fiction, including IF history, theory, craft, tools, and people. IFWiki serves as both a historical record of community knowledge and a guide to resources for playing and creating interactive fiction." Any wording suggestions, please let me know. It feels wordier than in needs to be... |
| I would suggest two points- make the Community Portal into an active discussion forum. One good forum package is at http://www.invisionboard.com/. Second point- add a short IF community links page, giving credit to well-run websites that link to here, eg. Baf's Guide at http://www.wurb.com/if/ currently links to ifwiki.org. Thanks. regards ;) --[[User:Eric.xyzzy|Eric.xyzzy]] 09:29, 6 Mar 2005 (Central Standard Time)
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| Nice site! Perhaps you should consider hosting some WikiIF as well. Uncyclopedia has rather stolen the march on this with their [http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Zork Zork] [http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Game Game]. What do you say the real IF community does something to catch up? --[[User:Nerd42|Nerd42]] 20:01, 1 Nov 2005 (Central Standard Time)
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| * Personally, that's not the sort of thing I'd want on the IFWiki, but that's just me. Incidently, this idea has come up before; see [[Wiki Based Interactive Fiction System]] ([[Talk:Wiki Based Interactive Fiction System|Talk]]). Although now that I look at it again, that's not really the same thing as you're suggesting. -- [[User:Dswxyz|David Welbourn]] 04:21, 2 Nov 2005 (Central Standard Time) (edited)
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| * Well ... all wikiIF pages could have their own namespace so it could be kept seperate from the actual encyclopedia articles ... oh never mind. It's your site, do what you like with it. ;) --[[User:Nerd42|Nerd42]] 16:08, 2 Nov 2005 (Central Standard Time)
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| :by the way, I heard somebody over at wikicities has already suggested having a wikicity entirely devoted to writing WikiIF ... but I don't know if it's actually going to happen. That'd be neat though --[[User:Nerd42|Nerd42]] 11:36, 7 Nov 2005 (Central Standard Time)
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| * '''NEW''': I see that Nerd42 has found the Novelas fiction wikia for hosting works of WikiIF; see http://novelas.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Interactive_Fiction which Nerd42 has created to host his short ''[[3Wishes]]'' game. -- [[User:Dswxyz|David Welbourn]] 22:13, 15 June 2006 (EST)
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| Well, yeah, but 3Wishes wasn't really intended as, like, a publishable work of IF - I mean, it was like a demo/example of how to write stories - like a template for people to copy. And then [http://novelas.wikia.com/wiki/Rose_Hollow someone did] but if you're going to count those, there is also a large [http://fanstuff.hrwiki.org/index.php/Text_Adventures Homestar Runner Wiki] IF writing group that has new games coming out all the time. --[[User:Nerd42|Nerd42]] 15:07, 13 October 2006 (EST)
| | 2. Revise the "FAQ" section. Change the heading to just "FAQ" (or "Frequently Asked Questions") and actually include a few questions (that link directly to the answers), with another link to see the rest of the FAQ. So it would look something like this: |
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| Could we have a page for those of us trying to convert old adventures and old adventure systems (e.g. Scott Adams, Magnetic Scrolls ad nauseam - akin to a wiki form of if-legends). As I have a few scribbles of code and notes that may benefit others, but don't fit within any of the if-legends sub-pages. --[[User:dave|David Lodge]] 20:12, 16 Nov 2005 (Greenwich Meantime)
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| * Sure, I don't see any obvious problems with that on the wiki. Go ahead and create them. If there are license issues, make sure you change the license of the relevant pages from the default public domain declaration to something more appropriate. We already have [[:Category:Scott Adams]] and [[:Category:Magnetic Scrolls]] to put pages in. We could also create a Porting category, if that would be useful; we already have a similar category called [[:Category:Rakontointeraktiva]] for Non-English porting efforts. I don't know how to advise you properly on how to name your pages without more details, though. I'm guessing you'll want pages like "Examples of Magnetic Scrolls code", "Magnetic Scrolls to Inform", "Porting advice", and so on. -- [[User:Dswxyz|David Welbourn]] 18:03, 16 Nov 2005 (Central Standard Time)
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| ** Okay, What I'll do is add the pages under the publisher section, and then link notes to the Category, I've started with the [[Robico Software]] Section. --[[User:dave|David Lodge]] 19:37, 19 Nov 2005 (Greenwich Meantime)
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| The login/account creation system seems kinda buggy. I forgot my password so I hit the "Mail me a new password" button, which results in an error message (Error sending mail: mail() [<a href='function.mail'>function.mail</a>]: "sendmail_from" not set in php.ini or custom "From:" header missing)
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| Then I tried crreating a new account, but since I was using the same mail address as with my original account, another half page of page occurred (A database error has occurred
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| Anyone willing to fix this? [[User:PDD3|PDD3]] 10:17, 30 Nov 2005 (Central Standard Time)
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| I have several tasks on my list and plan to get to this at some point. I don't see anything happening before 2006 though. --[[User:David Cornelson|David Cornelson]] 11:21, 30 Nov 2005 (Central Standard Time)
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| I think I have a good idea. I have an ulterior motive for giving it, but I think it's a good idea just the same. | | [[How can I download and play IF?]] |
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| Below the "Land of FAQ" area, there was recently a box giving a notice about the XYZZY Awards winners. I was just thinking, wouldn't it be cool if that box were there year-round, with its contents changing based on current events of the IF community?
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| My ulterior motive is that I'd like people to be aware of my Spring Thing competition, which is going on right now. But there are also other things to announce... IntroComp is coming up, LoTech Comp is coming up, just to give a couple of comp examples.
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| My thought is that that box need not contain big text. If the text were smaller, it could more easily contain announcements about more than one current event, whenever appropriate.
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| Anyway, take this idea and do what you want with it. I'd be interested to hear people's reactions. -- Greg Boettcher
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| * I have thought a teensy bit about this kind of idea before, and of course, the info you want is already at [[Current events#Competitions & Contest News]]. It's just a matter of a) how do I summarize that ''really'' succinctly, and where on the Main Page would it squeeze in? My current thinking is to squeeze the bottom section over to the left and put a comp news summary to its right and under the Feature Article section. The summarization question is more difficult to answer. -- [[User:Dswxyz|David Welbourn]] 16:19, 3 April 2006 (EST)
| | 4. To highlight that ifwiki is different from IFDB, maybe instead of (or in addition to) rotating lists of games, there could be rotating previews of some articles of general interest. I haven't fully thought this through. [[User:Bg|bg]] ([[User talk:Bg|talk]]) 00:22, 9 December 2021 (UTC) |
| * Okay, I've tried to add a new section to the Main Page. It's not very pretty, but it's a start. -- [[User:Dswxyz|David Welbourn]] 17:24, 3 April 2006 (EST)
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| * I think it looks really good. I didn't have in mind just comp news, but maybe that is most of what news there is, after all. You solved both of the two issues you mentioned really well. Yay! -- [[User:Gregb|Greg Boettcher]] 19:45, 3 April 2006 (Central Daylight Time)
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| | :(1) The introduction looks good. (2) There is no need for that attribution, mention of the licence, or the raif topics to be under the FAQ heading. Maybe anything that's not on or linked to the FAQ article itself could be moved there for now. Your proposed list looks fine. The FAQ heading seems all right where it is for now. (3) Go ahead! (4) That sounds good too. [[User:Jonathan|Jonathan]] ([[User talk:Jonathan|talk]]) 10:50, 9 December 2021 (UTC) |
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| I'm wondering if there shouldn't be a section on the front page for the current month's news -- for example, current happenings like IFMonth could share space with the current competitions? Events and competitions seem equally 'current' but the competitions get the benefit of the front page as it is. [[User:George|George]] 18:47, 17 February 2009 (PST) | | :: Jonathan, I tried deleting "Unfeatured Article," but the result doesn't look right, because there's still a heading on the right, and it makes the left side of the table not quite line up with the right side. Do you want to see if you can make it look better? Or else think of some other text to put there? [[User:Bg|bg]] ([[User talk:Bg|talk]]) 18:33, 9 December 2021 (UTC) |
| * It's the 23rd of the month, and IFMonth doesn't even have a page on IFWiki yet. I only got around today to announcing XYZZY Awards are in second-round voting. The BINGO board still proclaims 'Summer fun' even though it's now February. And I haven't been keeping up with the Current events page either, which is supposedly where events are primarly announced. Frankly, I personally don't have the time to keep everything current; I'd rather analyze and document things in my own time. Yes, I could make a section on the front page for current news, but who will edit it? We only have a small number of dedicated editors around here, and I'm sure they're already doing as much as they have time for as it is. -- [[User:Dswxyz|David Welbourn]] 14:55, 23 February 2009 (PST)
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| * IFMonth did have a mention on the current February news, on the 17th. I wasn't asking for people to do more than they're doing now, but if it makes sense for the competition news to give up some space for the current month's news -- I thought the main page was created somehow automatically, but it sounds like someone would have to change links every month, rather than the Main page pulling from a 'current month' section? [[User:George|George]] 20:34, 27 February 2009 (PST)
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| * Parts of the Main Page are built from templates ([[:Template:Main announcement]], [[:Template:Feature article]], etc.) but the only 'automatic' part of that is how the content of [[:Template:Feature theme]] appears to cycle, based on a day-of-the-month system variable called CURRENTDAY. So, it's possible to do something similar with a news template using a system variable for the current month -- and making sure both the Current events and Main Page pages use them, because otherwise there's no savings at all if the content isn't identical. But I kinda hesitate to do all that since the content is already there on Current events. Why duplicate that info on the Main Page? It bothers me already that we're duplicating competition news info; that wasn't my idea. Obviously, why not duplicate the games released this month section as well? If we're going to put all the news on the Main Page, why bother to maintain Current events? -- [[User:Dswxyz|David Welbourn]] 03:47, 1 March 2009 (PST)
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| * Yes, I see your point. So the question is whether there is a workable scheme whereby the 'most current' of current events in recent competitions, upcoming competitions, game releases, and news and reviews could be displayed on the main page in such a way that people would only have to edit the Current events page (and not be worried about breaking something). I think this has value because as far as I know there isn't any other IF page that has this kind of latest news in one spot. However it doesn't seem possible without a complete restructuring of the current events page as it stands. [[User:George|George]] 11:04, 11 March 2009 (PDT)
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| | :: Ok, I added a blurb. Wording suggestions still welcome. Seems like it would look better if it didn't stretch across the whole page, though. [[User:Bg|bg]] ([[User talk:Bg|talk]]) 20:20, 9 December 2021 (UTC) |
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| Deadline for judging is: Monday, February 22nd at 12:01AM (GMT-5:00) [[User:Mordred|Mordred]] 11:03, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
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| :Thanks! I've made the changes. --[[User:Eriorg|Eriorg]] 12:27, 16 February 2010 (UTC) | | ::: (1) Blurb looks fine though I'm sure you'll think of changes over time. (2) FAQ section looks more welcoming now. (3) I've edited that title now. (4) We can think about that as part of the overall changes. [[User:Jonathan|Jonathan]] ([[User talk:Jonathan|talk]]) 21:30, 9 December 2021 (UTC) |
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| Could someone with permissions add [[CreatureComp]] to the list of upcoming competitions? The deadline is September 22nd. Thanks ! - [[David Fisher]]
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| * Sure. I should perhaps mention that that section is currently done by editing [[Template:Comp news]]; you don't need to directly edit the Main Page for that. -- [[User:Dswxyz|David Welbourn]] 04:17, 22 August 2006 (EST)
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| | I've converted the HTML tables to wikitext tables and tidied up the page so that it's easier to understand at a glance, though haven't changed the structure of what the reader sees. |
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| Considering the way in which Inform 7 was trumpeted on this page in a big bold box last spring, I think it'd be nice to do something similar for TADS 3, now that its general release has finally come out. -- [[User:Gregb|Greg Boettcher]] 16 September 2006
| | What would be the ideal format? I guess for now we should keep the same ''look'', but change the content. |
| * This message is way too late, but I just wanted to say that I did notice the fact that you responded to my request, and I wanted to say thanks to all concerned. -- [[User:Gregb|Greg Boettcher]] 16 November 2006
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| i've been creating individual pages on en.wikipedia.org for all the XYZZY "Best Game" winners [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XYZZY_Award_for_Best_Game] and all the IFComp winners [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interactive_Fiction_Competition] down the years. they pass wikipedia notability requirements by virtue of winning the 2 biggest prizes in IF. but they're just stubs so wondering if they could be expanded somehow?
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| :I can't really advise you very well about expanding Wikipedia articles. Wikipedia is a bit out of my league and I have no experience editing articles there. I would first study other (non-IF) game articles on Wikipedia for ideas on what sort of info they like and try to do the comparable stuff for the IF articles. Since Wikipedia likes citations and doesn't like "weasel words", you'll probably want to back up any assertions with links to reviews or r*if threards about the games, I think. If you're merely asking for manpower to edit those articles, well, personally, I'll have to decline. I've got enough on my plate with this wiki right here. | | * <strike>The "Featured article" content comes from [[Template:Feature article]]. This hasn't been used for its intended purpose for a long time. It started out showcasing particular articles on the wiki (see [[:Category:Feature article templates]] and [[IFWiki:Feature article]]) and soon ended hijacked for news items. Now its main content comes from [[Template:State of the Scene 2016]] which has been updated to an extent since then, though the extract from a 2016 Emily Short article (not even on the wiki) has remained. If we're to keep the "featured article" heading then the template should be used for that purpose (not News). We could have a separate heading for news. Maybe it could replace Competition news (and competition news could maybe be listed under the main News heading.</strike> |
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| :As for copying info from Wikipedia to IFWiki, there's two issues that have to be addressed: the layout differences and the copyright issue. I'm not going to be too dictorial on stub files that are incorrectly formatted. After all, they're stubs; they're meant to be edited later anyway. (If it's not a stub you're copying, we'll probably need to slap a Needs work template on the page to remind us to fix it.) The copyright issue is more stomach-churning, since IFWiki is public domain and Wikipedia is not. Which means that either the copyright has to be brought over with it OR you can't do a simple cut-n-paste and you'll have to reword it over here. Unless I'm misunderstanding the whole thing, which is entirely possible. -- [[User:Dswxyz|David Welbourn]] 08:41, 16 December 2006 (EST) | | :: Update: I simplified this into a single template [[Template:Main Page News]], under the heading "News". [[User:Jonathan|Jonathan]] ([[User talk:Jonathan|talk]]) 22:06, 6 January 2022 (UTC) |
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| I recently found out that the main page is (maybe?) made from several templates. Is everyone welcome to edit those templates? As they seem rather valuable I assume not. Thanks in advance. ---- [[User:Cassandra Palop|Cassandra Palop]] 08:04, 13 February 2007 (EST)
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| :Yes, the main page is made from the [[:Category:Main Page templates|Main Page templates]]. | | :: Update: I simplified this, using the [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Labeled_Section_Transclusion Labeled Section Transclusion] extension, so that all the available content is a single page ([[IFWiki:Main_Page_features]]) instead of dozens of template pages. [[User:Jonathan|Jonathan]] ([[User talk:Jonathan|talk]]) 22:06, 6 January 2022 (UTC) |
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| :I don't really know if people are welcome to edit those templates (I'm not an IFWiki administrator). But I did edit one or two of them and nobody complained. In particular, I think it can't hurt if we make the Competition News template as up-to-date as we can. But the others should probably be left alone... although, once, [http://www.ifwiki.org/index.php?title=Template%3AFeature_article&diff=21146&oldid=20814 I couldn't resist adding a shameless self-advertisement to the Feature article], but at least it was definitely on-topic. | | * The "Competition news" content comes from [[Template:Comp news]]. This in turn transcludes some of [[Competition news]] (the part it transcludes are manually chosen by editing the page and putting <nowiki><onlyinclude></nowiki> tags round it). It then unnecessarily uses [[Template:News item]] to show a link to the [[Competition news]] page only on the main page. |
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| :I suppose you can edit them if you're quite sure of your changes -- if you want to correct typos or out-of-date info, for instance. Otherwise, it's probably better to use the Template Talk pages. --[[User:Eriorg|Eriorg]] 14:29, 13 February 2007 (EST)
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| :Yes, people are allowed to edit the templates, especially if they are adding content, improving them, fixing typos, and so on, just like any other page. (Spammers, however, are not welcome to edit them.) If you want to make drastic changes to a template, it would be a courtesy to discuss the proposed change on the template's talk page first, though. And if you want to change icons or graphics in a template, I'd like to be asked first, please. But in most normal cases, you can just go and edit it without asking. -- [[User:Dswxyz|David Welbourn]] 19:02, 13 February 2007 (EST)
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| Er, I just added "Innovation Comp" to [[Template:Comp news]] - it works fine if you view the template page directly, but on the main page it appears as a non-existent link (and puts you in Edit mode if you click on it). The "Innovation Comp" does actually exist, though ...
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| Please consider adding references support to this installation. The instructions for adding it are [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Cite/Cite.php here]. It is a simple addition but makes citations many times easier. --[[User:Jason Scott|Jason Scott]] 13:01, 4 October 2007 (PDT)
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| I think the comments on the Talk pages tend to be forgotten when they aren't answered quickly enough (i.e. before they're no longer in the [[:Special:Recentchanges|Recent changes]] page).
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| But maybe there is a better solution I didn't think of? --[[User:Eriorg|Eriorg]] 17:57, 4 February 2008 (PST)
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| The section on the main page about the FAQ should say that it's licensed under the Creative Commons ''Attribution-Share Alike'' 2.0 license. --[[User:Sopoforic|Sopoforic]] 06:23, 11 March 2008 (PDT)
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| : Okay, fixed. Hope that's better. -- [[User:Dswxyz|David Welbourn]] 12:53, 11 March 2008 (PDT)
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| The current framework for a game page contains useful information for people who are looking for a game to play, but almost nothing else. We don't have section on synopses, on the reception of the game, lists of NPCs, possible endings, and so on. Is there some kind of policy against spoilery information, or is it just something we haven't gotten around to yet? [[User:VictorGijsbers|VictorGijsbers]] 13:14, 19 July 2008 (PDT)
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| :Reception to the game may go in either the Notable Features or the Trivia and Comments sections, I think, depending on what you're actually commenting on. General comments like "Galatea was rated 4.5 stars on IFDB as of February 30, 2008." or "1-2-3... offended several players by insulting another author." may go in the Trivia section. Comments about game features may be appended to the paragraph about that feature in the Notable Features section. -- [[User:Dswxyz|David Welbourn]] 13:02, 20 July 2008 (PDT)
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| == Dead links on the IFWiki ==
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| The IFWiki contains many many links to other websites, and that's a good thing. But inevitably, some of them become dead links sooner or later, and that's a problem.
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| In general, when I find dead links, I try to fix them (with the new address or a link to the Internet Archive, if possible). But I'm sure we miss many other dead links: we can't manually check every single link from every single page regularly!
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| So, my question is: is there a tool for automatic search for dead links on a whole wiki? If there is, an administrator could use it from time to time and publish the results on an IFWiki page, and the contributors could try to fix at least some of them. --[[User:Eriorg|Eriorg]] 20:50, 31 October 2008 (PDT)
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| * I don't know of such a tool -- I don't see something like that listed on the Special Pages page -- but maybe there's one out there somewhere on the web. I suppose we can at least start a page for documenting when a site disappears or moves. How does [[IFWiki:Dead links]] sound as a suitable page name for it? -- [[User:Dswxyz|David Welbourn]] 07:51, 1 November 2008 (PDT)
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| [[IFWiki:Dead links]] is a good page name.
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| There seem to be many such tools available on the web; I've found several with Google, at least. But most of them were for websites in general, not particularly for wikis, and I don't know if they were appropriate for a really big site like IFWiki.
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| But the link I've found which looked the most interesting [http://fra.anarchopedia.org/Discuter:Commune_libre_de_Oaxaca#Dead_link is there]. Apparently, a bot had searched for dead links on that wiki and automatically mentioned them on the Talk Pages; and it even mentioned the relevant Internet archive links! This bot seems to use [http://pywikipediabot.sourceforge.net/ Python wikipedia robot framework].
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| '''Warning:''' I never used it, so I have absolutely no idea whether it's safe (I hope it can't cause damage!) or whether it's any good. It might be a good idea to ask someone who actually knows about such things before using it!... --[[User:Eriorg|Eriorg]] 13:15, 1 November 2008 (PDT)
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| == Gnusto ==
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| Hello. I'm the original author of the [[Gnusto]] Z-machine-based terp, on which you don't have an article, though you do have one on [[Parchment]], which uses Gnusto's engine. I can expand the page on Parchment a good deal, but most of the questions asked on that page concern the Gnusto engine rather than Parchment itself. Is it all right if I break it out into two pages? [[User:Marnanel|Marnanel]] 00:43, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
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| : Of course that's all right. I'll take all the help I can get on understanding interpreters better. And thank you. -- [[User:Dswxyz|David Welbourn]] 10:32, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
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| == Missing icons ==
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| Is seems a log of icons are missing for some reason:
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| http://ifwiki.org/index.php/Category:IFWiki_icons
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| What happened to them? It's now extremely common to find articles using at least one missing icon and having an empty box appear instead.
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| [[User:RealNC|RealNC]] 00:50, 17 July 2011 (PDT)
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| * Huh. That's disturbing. I have no idea why they'd vanish. -- [[User:Dswxyz|David Welbourn]] 11:00, 17 July 2011 (PDT)
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| * Hm. It's not just icons; some cover art is missing too. There doesn't seem to be any obvious pattern to it and there's nothing obvious in their histories; no one's been deleting them on purpose. I do remember that the IFWiki logo itself vanished for a while until I pointed out its absence to baf; perhaps this is more of the same thing, where it didn't get backed up somehow or whatever it was. Sigh. Guess I'll have to ask baf to look into it. -- [[User:Dswxyz|David Welbourn]] 11:10, 17 July 2011 (PDT)
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| * Thank you, baf! baf said, "I don't know what makes the files disappear, but I'm seeing a grand total of 164 images in a backup made in March that aren't in the current wiki." So he copied them back over. Our best guess at the moment is that it was a side effect of upgrading the wiki software. Maybe. -- [[User:Dswxyz|David Welbourn]] 14:55, 19 July 2011 (PDT)
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| ** Well, now other images have disappeared. This wiki has obviously been hacked. See: http://www.ifwiki.org/images/ (it even says "Hacked By W-n0K" :-P) [[User:RealNC|RealNC]] 15:26, 21 July 2011 (PDT)
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| ** ACK! That's just cruel. [Expletive.] I'll talk to baf again, see if we can fix it. I have ''no'' idea how that happened; I don't even know how to access that myself. -- [[User:Dswxyz|David Welbourn]] 02:34, 22 July 2011 (PDT)
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| * Was the problem solved? It seems that there are still some images missing... --[[User:Eriorg|Eriorg]] 05:41, 29 July 2011 (PDT)
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| ==Suggestion for a date/time widget for the front page==
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| <!-- Borrowed from Wikipedia [User:Angela] with modifications by Viridian Development Corporation -->
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| The code in this section (only visible through '''Edit'''), if placed at the beginning of the front page, would place the date/time box which appears to the right of this message, on the right edge at the top of the front page. [[User:Tdarcos|Tdarcos]] 23:23, 8 October 2011 (PDT)
| | : I noticed that when I got rid of the space at the top of the "State of the Scene 2016" template, it messed up the formatting of the "What's New" heading on the front page. I added a space back in to the template to make it look right, but is there a way to fix it on the main page so that's not necessary? |
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| * I fail to see the point of this widget. We already have the date in larger print on the front page. There's no particular reason to have the time of day displayed, and if we did, I'd like to have a better contrast so it's more readable. And what would it be to the right of? There's not usually an empty space on the right-side of the main announcement. I'd prefer not to fill the space with cruft. -- [[User:Dswxyz|David Welbourn]] 21:52, 9 October 2011 (PDT)
| | : I agree it makes sense to have the "state of the scene" stuff and "Competition news" closer together, but they are covering different periods of time (state of the scene is more like "in the past year & in recent years," whereas competition news is more like "in the past/next few months." Not sure how you'd combine it. [[User:Bg|bg]] ([[User talk:Bg|talk]]) 16:45, 16 December 2021 (UTC) |
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| | :Does it have to be a table with rows of the same height? The news takes up a lot more space than some of the other items. What about having basically two columns: all the news in the left column (as it currently is, but without the FAQ section), and the sections for FAQ, featured article (with the article title, and maybe the first few lines of text from it), and "contribute" on the right? For the featured article, could there be a list somewhere where we can add names of articles so that they get included in the regular rotation? [[User:Bg|bg]] ([[User talk:Bg|talk]]) 02:35, 2 January 2022 (UTC) |
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| When you make a new external link, you have to type in a Catchpa to show that you are not a spam bot. Even if you are a registered user; even if you have been a registered user for years; even if you have already done the Catchpa test 27 times that day. This is, of course, supremely irritating, and if something can be done about it I would be delighted.
| | :: Columns would work fine. We could make it responsive (eg one column on phones). Once we're on a new server I've an idea for improving how the featured articles thing works, along those lines :-) [[User:Jonathan|Jonathan]] ([[User talk:Jonathan|talk]]) 08:34, 2 January 2022 (UTC) |
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| | :: I've re-ordered the columns in the way you suggested. On the test server the two columns become one on small screens, but for some reason it doesn't work here. We can look again at that soon. Well, it half works... it works on a desktop browser but not on a mobile, which is no use... [[User:Jonathan|Jonathan]] ([[User talk:Jonathan|talk]]) 22:01, 2 January 2022 (UTC) |
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| | ==Proposal for "still going strong" section: ZILF== |
| | Add zilf to "still going strong section", possibly in the Retro-Parser Section. Should be a link to an internal wiki page. [[User:Fos1|Fos1]] ([[User talk:User:Fos1|talk]]) 01:50, 8 January 2022 (UTC) |
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| At least we can be sure that no spambot will ever make it through this test!
| | : I don't see why not. What would the sentence say? Would it be worth improving the [[ZILF]] page first, enough to remove the "stub" template (I hate those anyway)? [[User:Jonathan|Jonathan]] ([[User talk:Jonathan|talk]]) 08:11, 8 January 2022 (UTC) |